This weekend we visited my wife's grandpa's farm again. One evening we were sitting in the house for the evening snack, and my wife's great uncle showed up. As with everyone else, we told him the exciting news that we were expecting our third child. Like everyone else, he was very happy to hear the news.
"That's wonderful," he said. "It's a good start. There are people out there these days who don't want to have any babies." He shook his head in disapproval. "We need to have children. There's always enough work for everyone." (On the farm, they always end their day without finishing the many tasks that could be done.)
Great-Uncle Palemon, Proud of Our Good Start |
My wife's grandpa had also given another perspective; "The more children we have, the more we have. We all work hard together and share, and that way no body is ever lacking anything." (By "we" he meant the extended family and even the community as a whole - not one isolated family.) More children is a form of stability and a guarantee that there are always people to help each other. For my wife's grandpa, this point was especially important, since he is now older and unable to manage his farm alone, and is becoming more and more dependent on his children and grandchildren. There's also a social importance - the simple love of being around family (in their view) makes it good and pleasant to be around many children and grandchildren and have their company.
These three elderly people believe in family planning. Not in the sense of actively limiting your family size as we use the phrase now, but rather planning to have as many children as possible. Having more children is a good thing all senses - morally, economically, socially, etc. So you plan to have many.
(It's important to note that these people aren't Catholic - in fact, there quite aggressively anti-Catholic. This is simply a matter of traditional values. They also aren't rich or even average in wealth - even by the standards of the impoverished countryside where they live, they are among the poorest. But again, lots of kids is an economic support as well, besides being morally correct and more pleasant.)
As a disclaimer on behalf of my wife's beloved family members, they weren't spitting out babies once a year for several decades. One of them had 6 children and the other had 7 - far from the 15 and 20 of her uncle's wonderful stories. This was as many children as they could physically have. Back in their days, they didn't have access to baby formula or bottles, meaning the babies were breastfed as long as they needed milk and couldn't drink out of a cup. This was an obstacle to their having more babies, not a method of avoiding babies. So instead of having babies every year, they would have a baby every 3 or 4 years.
(On the farm, entire families share one bedroom - although I don't really know, I'm guessing this factor also created certain practical limitations on parts of the process.)
So my wife's great uncles and aunts didn't have 15 or 20 children. They wish they could've. But they couldn't. It simply didn't happen. One thing is for sure - they weren't trying to prevent it. They were trying to have as many as possible. That was their plan.
I was talking to my brother-in-law about this on the drive home. We realized the gigantic families of 15 - 20 are not a product of old-fashioned ideas, but rather of modernism getting mixed up with old-fashioned ideas; when innovations from the modern world remove the natural obstacles to having children, suddenly people who want to have as many children as possible can have 15, 20 or even more. Those who don't want this many children need to find artificial (or natural) ways to prevent it.
Thus, in the past family planning meant planning to have as many kids as you could. You wanted 15; if you were lucky you'd get 7. An "accident" (e.g. the wife got sick and couldn't have kids for a while) meant you didn't get as many kids as you wanted. Now, family planning means you plan to prevent having kids, whether it be artificially or naturally. You want one or two children. An "accident" means you have a second or third that you weren't planning on. To most of our generation it's absurd to think that a third child could actually be a part of a plan of any sort.
The phrase "family planning," wouldn't necessarily have to mean limiting family size. We simply assume that it does. It's incredible how things change.
First. CONGRATS!. Just had the time to read and CONGRATS! Extremelly exciting and good news, A third!.
ReplyDeleteSecond. You are right. And Also there ar some other things that make one start thinking about having more than , even 1!, the ones One have. hehehe. :)
In our case we were negotiation between 3 and 4. I wanted 4 my husband 3. We have 2. What happened?. Well economy is one answer, but not the main one.
If we have a 3rd we will need to change, apartment, car, and way of living ( not money meaning but the routines we follow lately with just 1 car).
But the main mind changer was the autism. Our 2nd is in the spectrum and it has proven stressing enough. If I had a 3rd that poor baby would have a completly and total lack of attention while I'm trying to help the 2nd to speak and move. To control his motor planning and fine motor skills. >. I spend 19 hours of the week teaching him. And 6 he is in a special education school learning more and social skills with kids his age with also difficulties in their development. Where would I fit the poor 3rd?.
First we tough , well a baby can just sit around. But this autism topic won't end when the baby starts walking right? And how to hold a baby learning how to walk hand while trying to chase the brother that won't answer to his name..
So we decided, sadly, to stay in 2, and see what the future brings for our family of 4.
Sometimes I wonder if we can have an "accident" :).
So your news are pretty exciting. I feel your happiness! I'm a little jealous and I get your wife's grandpa.
I'm the 4th of 5. I'm thankful my parents wanted a lot of kids. They couldn't continue, with 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 as they wanted because of health issues. My mom is the 1st of 10. My dad the 2nd of 9. They way of thinking is similar to your wife's family. In modern stages and city views.
The only thing I don;t like about extremelly big families is that the responsability of the youngest falls in the oldest, when wasn't the oldest the one that had the kid. I saw that in my mom's family, she is the only one that couldn't finish her major because was named, by my grandfather, the one in charge of the 5 youngest. So my uncles and aunts, the 5 youngest, consider her the real mom in their lives. And my mom consider us her grand kids accidentally sometimes in her actions. weird right? But that happens in big families too.
I think another thing that makes familis now to be small is the lack of "help" In Mexico is pretty given that family will help, taking care of the kids for an hour or 2, or maybe going out with them in a weekend, babysitting one night per month or more... but now we move far from the family because lack of jobs or some other things and there is no family around. We become self suficient but we don't have enough hands for more than 3 kids, even 4...
I have friends here with families of 5 and 8. Family leaving far away And I can say they depend a lot of their friends circle. I love to help them and envy their big families, honestly. :). But at the same time I just take care of the kids once or twice a week.. not the whole day every single week right?.
CONGRATS! :) ( as always I write to much)
Thanks Sabrina!
DeleteI don't think writing "too much" is a problem - I do the same thing. That's why people like us have blogs. I'm just getting back into mine after about a month away.
You bring up some good points about how the changes in modern society - like being far from your family - make it difficult for people to take care of more kids. Even with the 3 we will soon have, we've really been thinking about that part of it.
Even though we don't have any children who need special attention, we've also been worried at times that we might not have enough attention to go around.
I'm also familiar with the fact that in really big families it's the older sisters who usually raise the younger kids. My parents are both from big families, and my dad, one of the youngest, was raised mostly by my older aunts. My older cousins are more like his siblings in some ways.
An interesting post! I enjoy how the assumptions of other cultures make us examine our own assumptions...on all manner of things. Thanks for sharing this.
ReplyDelete( BTW, I'm a first-time visitor to your site - via the list at The Society of Canadian Catholic Bloggers - and I'll check back again soon!)
Welcome to my blog! I've just recently got back into it after over a month of neglecting my writing. We were in the process of returning to Canada. It always takes time to settle in, etc.
DeleteBy the way, I'll check out your blog too; it looks interesting with very nice pictures!
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